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Tue, May. 2nd, 2006, 09:07 pm
Chapter 305 . . .

Regarding chapter 305 (which came out today) . . .

Kishimoto, I have lost all faith in you. Utterly, I believe. This chapter has killed be in a bad, bad, OMFG way which grew steadily worse. This chapter has also left me very displeased with where the manga is currently heading.

(Admittedly, there were still some good points, but the rest? Horrid. Especially that one part that has disappointed me beyond logic and literally ruined the entirety of this most recent chapter.)

why is everyone on chuunin so delighted about this chapter? why? *headdesk* I was actually very disappointed by it overall.

And Sai? Yeah, I hate you, now. D: *grumbles* Unrealistic ANBU-Root wannabe . . .

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 01:22 am (UTC)
ero_kitsune

Ha, it happened exactly like I thought it would. It is so sad that Sai changed sides in like 15 seconds; either Naruto is getting really good at his motivational speaking or his pet projects are getting weak minded.

What really grates my nerve is that Sai is somehow much stronger than Naruto and Sasuke, this is at least implied by his kill book and that Danzou knowingly sent him to kill Sasuke within Orochimaru's lair.

I don't have really high hopes for the manga anyways, though I did enjoy parts of it, until now.

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 01:28 am (UTC)
psyched_kagura

*sigh* But I was somehow still hoping that Sai might have had an ulterior motive . . .

And you mean, Naruto the God. He is able to cast one long speech (sometimes a punch or two) and then the angsty character sees the light. Normally I can tolerate his "patching up" skills (it was more realistic with Gaara), but this chapter, and the chapter before it were terribly unrealistic. Naruto and Sakura's remarkably short lecture about "connection" and "bond" changed an emotionless person who was in the ANBU Root for years so easily?

/What really grates my nerve is that Sai is somehow much stronger than Naruto and Sasuke/

Sadly this much is apparently true. I can only ask, why?

Which parts of this series did you enjoy? Was it pre-timeskip or after?

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 02:04 am (UTC)
mithlin_megil

I know! I was sorely disappointed at how Sai changed sides soo quickly - too quickly, in fact. All it took was one Naruto motivational talk?! I was prepared to prolong my hate for Sai (actually, all I hate about him was his clothes. I mean, c'mon! I know your belly-button is smexxy, but you don't have to show it all the time! *dies*) but then, when I read 305... honestly. Bah.

Why, why, Kishimoto-sensei?

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 03:35 am (UTC)
psyched_kagura

I normally have held a lot of faith in Kishimoto for his strengths in developing characters (in contrast for his weaknesses in plot), and Naruto's influence on the characters (e.g Neji, Gaara, Sasuke, possibly?) that cannot let go of their pasts is quite admirable--but this was far too much. Sai, the nameless ANBU Root member who has lived /years/ without a name, an actual past, and has not only questioned his mission (which was apparently the most important) but his glassy, cold-hearted personality went through a complete one-eighty. To say I was disappointed is putting it mildly. This is . . . psychologically unrealistic.

Perhaps if Sai had hesitated a little at that Kabuto scene, or even showed some doubt in Danzou's mission -- that at least would have been more sensible. But instead . . . he has changed. A lot. Give or a take more chapters it would be more logical. Not this.

*whines*

And now I am frightened for Itachi's future. If he is redeemed somehow like this . . . *head crashes against wall; said wall breaks*

Thu, May. 4th, 2006 12:33 am (UTC)
mithlin_megil

I really thought that Sai would've hold steadfast to his mission - after all, being trained from birth (assuming) as a nameless, ANBU root member, he should have no reason to betray Danzou or even go against his mission. Having a few days at most with Naruto's I-Am-Jesus-So-Change-Your-Outlook-in-Life presence would have changed him, but not to the point of this.

It is too rushed. I hope that when it comes to Itachi, character handling will be better. Because oh man, if he changes because of Naruto's motivational talk, I'd go screaming and running through the streets like a madwoman.

In heels, even.

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 04:13 am (UTC)
darkwindkaze

I have to agree. Neji and Gaara seemed more realistic, but this Sai thing...bah. No believable development. Perhaps a fanfiction writer with good drawing skills has killed Kishimoto and is wearing his skin as a disguise?

Something small that irks me, and I don't know why, is how they aren't showing Sasuke. First they did it with the unneeded shadowy image Sasuke and they are doing it again with his not turning in bed thing! They better not do anymore "its Sasuke but something is stopping you from seeing him fully" stuff

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 04:27 am (UTC)
psyched_kagura

Admittedly, I thought Neji and Gaara also should not have recovered so quickly from their childhoods (especially Gaara), but to cut them some slack, after Sai . . . I am convinced that no character has had the poorest character development out of all the people that have been influenced by Naruto. I can only hope that there will be some sort of back-story chapter of Sai that will go in depth and explain why Sai went through a change so quickly. Perhaps his brother also helped him somehow in the past? *ponders*

Until then: DIE, SAI. DIE. Excuse me for my temporary immaturity.

/Perhaps a fanfiction writer with good drawing skills has killed Kishimoto and is wearing his skin as a disguise?/

That must be the reason. Very logical. It can only explain for this terrible phenomenon that has taken place. Poor real Kishimoto; an imposter has taken over your place!

As for the Sasuke bit . . . I can only hold my alleged theory that Kishimoto does this merely to "tease" the fans, especially the Sasuke-fans. Since practically everyone wants to see him in the timeskip, the surprise "eye-candy" of him on chapters 300-301 was for a little fun, and for this current chapter, it was placed there to deliberately hold the suspense of what /will/ happen. Perhaps?

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 04:40 am (UTC)
a_white_rain

I think Sai may be using Naruto’s Jesus Powers against him but is so emotionally stupid, he’s pretending to be saving Sasuke instead of killing him. And Kishimoto is using that against ups.

It’s my only hope. Because I refuse to believe Kishimoto got so bad so fast, I’m still feeling the burn of HBP. Until we’re a hundred percent sure.

And I don’t much mind Sai being stronger then Naruto. I think he’s been trained since birth to be the perfect ninja and that’s got to show.

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 04:55 am (UTC)
psyched_kagura

*nods* Indeed. Kishimoto has usually impressed me with his chapters, and I shall hold my final judgment for later, but these recent chapters have grated my nerves for such /shocking/ and unbelievable changes that certainly cannot be considered realistic in a person like Sai. In any way, form, or manner.

*sigh* In any case, I was rather surprised to see that Sasuke still has not shown his face fully yet. In five chapters, the closest we have seen of his face is in only one panel on 301. I am amused by this fact somehow.

/And I don’t much mind Sai being stronger then Naruto. I think he’s been trained since birth to be the perfect ninja and that’s got to show./

Yes . . . but must he really be stronger than Kyuubi!Naruto? Naruto I can understand, but not Naruto powered up by the Kyuubi chakra. If Kyuubi!Naruto can hold his own against a person of the Sannin, then Sai being more powerful than that is beyond strange without certified proof aside from the ink-no-jutsu.

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 04:48 am (UTC)
_acerbitas_

Holy shit. *goes and downloads the last few chapter she missed* I'll deffinately comment once everything finally downloads.

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 04:56 am (UTC)
psyched_kagura

*grin* I await to see your reaction/response then, Acerbitas.

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 08:26 am (UTC)
heronite

Hey! I was half-right about Sai! His resolution IS through (attempting to) influence the Naruto/Sasuke brother bond! ^_^

Though the way it was handled left much to be desired. =__= Damn, it could have had so much potential too. Down the drain because Kishimoto rushed it. Wtf? Maybe Kishimoto is trying to tell us something here.

"See? In the past, he could only influence people at the rate of one person every few months through forceful punches. But the new and improved Naruto has a new and improved bitch-slap-o-doom! He just has to give One speech (or two), and lo and behold! A person who's spent a lifetime of no emotions will immediately become a faithful follower! This is a glimpse of his future powers! As Hokage, all he'd have to do is yawn, and the masses will come swarming to worship him!"

Oye oye. =_= I think I'll just... ignore this, and just concentrate on the much more toned down Naruto in my NaruSaku manifesto. Ah cripsola.

Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 08:05 pm (UTC)
psyched_kagura

Your analyzing skills are as amazing as always, Heronite-san. But alas even as your assumption became canon, which was good, I cannot say that it was portrayed in the best way I would hope for it to be. *sigh* There goes long, steady and gradual psychological growth down the drain. I can only hope Sai will somehow make up for this sudden change of heart with a twisted ulterior.

. . . Also, that explanation you just gave was absolutely brilliant. Ingenious, and hilarious. It definitely makes sense--more so than any of this nonsensical rubbish. Dare I say that Sai felt quite wishy-washy in the recent chapters? It was pathetic. =(

Hm, and I see another update for the NaruSaku Manifesto. I will make sure to read it over and give you some concrit/feedback afterward (aka after work).
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Wed, May. 3rd, 2006 08:38 pm (UTC)
psyched_kagura

. . . I have just realized now that Naruto is God. Everything he says (or does) in the manga has an enormous effect on all the other characters. Sometimes it is realistic (e.g Gaara), but at other times I am very tempted to hit him over the head for his amazing, god-like healing powers. This was too much for my logic and I. If Sasuke were to ever get redeemed in the manga--it had better not be portrayed like Sai's rushed change of heart. (I also thought that Danzou considered him as a "tool" once? Surely that cannot be. Danzou should not use that term so lightly for someone who changes loyalties in the bat of an eyelid . . .)

I conclude that this chapter has left me disappointed with where the manga is currently heading. I also saw that post you made at chuunin. Assuming from the way some reacted, this indicates that some of the fans are Sai-biased, Kishimoto-biased, and/or simply amateurs at the psychological mind processing and developments of the average human. I thought you made yourself perfectly clear there, but apparently some people did not correctly comprehend what you stated. Or they are currently in the belief that an emotionless boy who has grown up all his life with an entirely different philosophy and moral conduct since birth can be changed in a snap of fingers.

*sigh* Oh, wait. He already has.